INT: You had a particularly...

INTERVIEWER: Continuation of the interview with Anika Vajda, Anika, tell me about your memories of Orackochie.

ANIKA VAJDA: Orackochie was, was in a very good memory because, I remember it, May day, May first, you like it or not they have to go with flags and signs we had to march, and we had to clap, long live Orackochie long live, so most of us inside said what the hell Orackochie drop dead, but we have to say it, otherwise we were in trouble and then, that time they says it, didn't say long live Orackochie, dearest father of the whole country, if you don't say that then they put you in jail. It was very, very bad, memory I have for Orackochie, as a matter of fact Orackochie was, I remember a couple of times middle of the night, somebody came knocking on our door, and they took my father to a they said a police station, to questioning him interrogate him actually and they told him scare him if then he come home in a only couple of hours they interrogate him, but he liked Orackochie he liked the communism and all that, because one time he was saying, next to the guy he where he worked, he hate the whole things, and the guy, he reported him, so then they interrogating him, and they told him if, when he come home to the family if he say one word they gonna kill the whole family. So he protecting us, when we ask him what happen, oh nothing he said they made a mistake and, they decided about that, so he was afraid to tell us the truth. But when the revolution break out then he told us, told me what was the real thing so then inside me, I was more anger, (unintelligible) I said I was ready to even with my bare hand kill that guy. So that was very, very bad memory for Orackochie.

INT: You also remember the day when the news of Stalin's death was announced in...

AV: Oh, that was, that was something too. I was close to the main, the heart of Budapest, I remember the radios and everywhere was announcing, oh, the poor father of our country, he passed away, and they gonna be a silent a whole country for five minutes, everything factories, hospital, all the mobile whatever they everything had to stop and pray, and what happened was it was real thing everybody stop, and we all stop was one of the others said, too bad it took him so long to drop dead he should have been dead a long, long time, nobody liked him either. Especially the you know the real Hungarian people they hate it because, the communist party, and he either one I guess who, bring it to the whole country, and Orackochie, he was learning in Moscow, I guess under him Stalin, nobody like Stalin. And they was happy after when the five minutes was up, they would all take the deep breath thank God but it took him a long time to drop dead, they was happy.

INT: There was a big statute to Stalin in the centre of Budapest, did you go there.

AV: Oh, yes, yes I remember the revolution stand, there was big, big, and I don't know how many hundred and hundred of us was there, they got hammer they got chisel they got saw, they, you know we trying to, knock them down, but it, it took a long, long time and you should have seen that, people was saying, singing a Hungarian hymn and praying to God, then we knocked it down but it took a long time to get it down because it was a very strong statue. And whatever little tools we had, and we tried put ropes on, and, tiit to trucks and pull, it didn't work, I said let's make sure they didn't come and made it sure they be a strong statue, that nobody could break it down, that was some, some scene. There was a couple of reporters there, I think one was from the United States, I don't know his name but, I know he made lot of pictures there when thiswas happen, and, and then I guess they show it they bring it to this country they show it, that was something, some scene.

INT: I just want to take you back to that first day when you heard about the demonstrations and people were, shouting particular slogans about the Russians what were those slogans.

AV: Oh yeah, Ruskie go home, Ruskie cussar, Ruskie hussar, and that was all over the country and the little one, you know children's or youngest, oldest everybody shout Ruskie go home, Ruskie go hussar, Ruskie hussar, Ruskie cussar, that was, that was some, good feeling inside for us you know because it was shout, some the anger it came out.

INT: And they also...


INT: And you were just saying about when the Russians came back a second time.

AV: Yeah what happened was, people was spitting on them, and they hate them and they, when they shout Ruskie cussar, Ruskie cussar, they spit anywhere we say it and we kept spitting and spitting, but, you know because we was very, very angry what they did, to our, our people and our country it was barbaric action, we hate them.

INT: You also, used to cut out the centre of the Hungarian flag. But tell me about that how that used to happen.

AV: Oh yeah the flag, this was happened ah, the revolution time, in the very first day as a matter of fact happened because, the, the youngster, the school kids college kids and they had a peace march, they tried to cut out the, the symbol of the Russian from the Hungarian flag and then we had Russian stars, top of the buildings, schools and everywhere that star, we tried to knock them down anywhere we can. And, finally, turned out it was done all over the country but it took a long time. Cause everyone hated them and they spit on it they stepped on it, and every, everything that the Russian or communist was, the real Hungarian people was hate them. And never forget them because what they did with, you know kill innocent people, youngster, oldster, you know older people, we were just ashamed what they did.

INT: Anika, thank you very much indeed.

AV: Thank you.